Interview with Lindsay Johnson

I had the supreme honor to interview Lindsay Johnson, CEO and co-founder of Snugg.me and host of the wildly popular Youtube channel known as LiJo.

For those who don’t have time for the whole interview, the TL:DR version is below.

Why Did She Create Snugg.me?

Snugg.me is a platform that allows YouTube influencers to engage more effectively with their audiences. The problem Lindsay quickly found was that there was not a single platform that could integrate all the tools needed to be truly effective. Snugg integrates payment, video, and scheduling in one platform, which reduces the friction involved with 3rd party calendars, installing Zoom, and getting paid. Snugg is able to accomplish these objectives all in one place. To book Lindsay for the show, I actually used the platform myself. Pretty seamless!  

Advice for NT Females at Work

Generally speaking, the NT female struggles in corporate America, not because of their competence, but because their qualities are more masculine (eg. assertiveness, bluntness, drive, etc). I asked her if she had ever encountered this in the workplace, and Lindsay said she was lucky to have managers with Te (Extraverted Thinking), so they respected her straightforwardness and direct manner in meetings and with projects. 

She suspects that negative interactions or miscommunications were likely with those who possessed Fi (Introverted feeling) and Ti (Introverted Thinking). As with most NT (Rationals) types, she was not good with the pleasantries of the workplace (‘Good Morning” in emails; “What did you do this weekend?”). Her direct manner of responding in one line and hitting “Send” had to be consciously bred out of her. In Type development for the NT’s, being more tactful is a great place to start!

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Emotional Intelligence vs. MBTI

There is a growing movement that advocates Emotional Intelligence as the best indicator for employment and career success. According to Lindsay, Typology is still a better holistic approach to assessing candidates rather than what they score on an Emotional Intelligence test. Scoring “well” on Emotional intelligence doesn’t mean you are done developing as a person. 

Jung, and many of his modern day predecessors (Nardi, Beebe, Berens, etc.) advocate for a lifelong development model based on cognitive functions, archetypes, and self-actualization. THAT is where the beauty of MBTI truly separates itself from the others, in that it has a path that is actionable for every Type. Unfortunately, that is not part of the modern day MBTI messaging, thus many people feel underwhelmed after going through a workshop.The corporate MBTI model is much different than the Jungian model- this is the main crux of the divide amongst Typologists. 

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John Beebe model of all 8 Jungian functions

When working with me, my clients experience the deepest dive possible into their personality, covering all facets of the tool to an extent that might, at first, seem overwhelming. My development model starts with a 5-week course that works macro-to-micro. What that means is we look at your Type from 10,000 feet and then gradually zoom into about 2 ft. Throughout the sessions, I provide actionable tasks to develop parts of your personality that we agree are “lacking” or are “blind spots.”

Creating Good Content

Lindsay discovered the key to creating great content lies in engaging her Fe function (AGAIN!).  She asked herself, “What do others actually want to see?” and “ How do I make it entertaining?” Most of us in the MBTI community are familiar with the great Frank James, who hilariously acts out each of the 16 types in various life scenarios. He is the inspiration for my own channel, even though he is a lowly INFJ. Love you Frank!!

Its your boy, Frank James

Lindsay, however, felt she could not give each of the Types justice by themselves. She felt there is simply too much to personalize to truly do each of the types correctly. So, she pivoted to something she DID know very well, and that is the 8 cognitive functions. Lindsay found that she could teach her audience, in a funny way, how each of the 8 cognitive functions work, and how one would realistically see them presented in life. Her trajectory in this regard has been remarkable to someone who watches all her videos.  

Thinking (T) Problems

Thinking types, for all their analytical and objective abilities, are often sorely out of touch with the emotional spectrum and what is generally well-received in society. When it comes to humor and timing, sometimes T’s don’t read the room all so well. As Lindsay points out, a logically funny joke, may not be well-suited during certain environments. As T types grow into their true Self, they learn to incorporate their F side for more harmonious interactions. 

Timing Jokes

Best MBTI Team

If Lindsay could pick 4 Types for a project–any project–what would they be? She says INTJ, ISTP, ENFJ, and ENTP. Interestingly, the ENFJ was specifically chosen to, once again, bring the human element to the team. That dastardly Fe function rears its head again! When you look at companies making massive strides today, Lindsay believes the Extraverted Feeling function is the reason why.

Where to Find Lindsay

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To connect with Lindsay, go here:

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Interview with Professor Dario Nardi, PhD

World renowned neuroscience expert and personality consultant Dario Nardi, joined me to discuss his new book and many other topics around MBTI. As a fellow INTJ, Dario and I got along very well.

His Latest Book

The Magic Diamond is Dr. Nardi’s newest book. It is a combination of the last 10 years of research proceeding the release of his magnum opus, The Neuroscience of Personality. Dario has been a student in the Jungian tradition for 30 years, and The Magic Diamond is an amalgamation of all that wisdom. The concept of the Magic diamond is one of integration that, over your lifetime, combines your best and worst cognitive functions into a fully realized Self.

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The Magic Diamond by Dario Nardi

Career Impact on People’s Brains

An intriguing revelation from Dario’s research is the extent to which a person’s occupation impacts brain function and activity. Workplace stressors and pressures to engage a part of your personality that is not your true nature, can STILL affect results on an EEG machine. As MBTI practitioners, this fact should compel us to spend more time with our clients to truly get to the bottom of our client’s true nature.

CT and Brain Imaging; My Brain Lab Session with Dario Nardi – Cognitive  Typology
Each part of the brain labeled by module and activity

Personality Hacker 

In the interview, Personality Hacker was mentioned briefly. Dario has done an exclusive 12-week course through their paid membership page. Also, Personality Hacker created what I would consider the best model for understanding the top 4 cognitive functions, which is known as the Car Model.

Personality Development Tools: The Car Model — Personality Type and  Personal Growth | Personality Hacker

I would also recommend their podcast which covers every conceivable aspect of MBTI you could possibly imagine.

Brains are Different by Culture 

Interesting enough, and hardly ever talked about, is the fact that culturally, brains develop differently and have distinct patterns and energies. Did you also know that brain scans show up completely differently with left-handed and right-handed people?

Ethical Standards within MBTI Community 

The Type community has always maintained that you never tell someone what their Type is. “You are an ENTJ; You are an ISFP,” are huge No-Nos in the professional Typology community. The client is always the final arbiter of their Type. Dario makes it clear that it’s not our job as analysts to tell people their Type, but to have the client discover their most likely patterns and tendencies themselves.

MBTI in Relation to DiSC and Five Factor Model 

Dario makes an outstanding case for the superiority of MBTI over other assessments such as Five Factor Model and DiSC due to their lack of a “development path.” MBTI, and the underlying theory of Jung, looks at personality through the lens of developing yourself over your lifetime. When you push aside the corporate MBTI model, you discover a huge gulf of knowledge around developing your personality that is sadly lacking in other personality assessments.

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DiSC model

Type Gives us a Lens to See Through 

We don’t often seek to examine how we look at ourselves and others. If we do, we don’t have a way to define the method or framework. “The unexamined life is not worth living” is a great starting point, but what tool will we use to examine our life? MBTI is the tool to do just that. Unique as we all are, there are repeatable and demonstrable traits that we all exhibit within a certain personality Type. Having a shared language and model to work within, then gives us a way to start implementing the many type development plans that exist within MBTI.

Jung vs Modern-Day Type Literature

Being a true scholar of Jung, Dario was quick to point out that the current Type literature that exists deviates from Jung in one specific way: it’s overly positive. If you read Psychological Types, the descriptions of the 8 cognitive functions are essentially 80% good and 20% bad. Jung was mostly concerned about how these functions could manifest in a negative way, and being cautious about overstating the positive. In today’s modern MBTI literature, the opposite is expressed: “Most people are generally psychologically healthy, so here’s one line at the bottom of the page that describes a potential way things could go wrong with your Type.”

Biography of Carl Jung: Founder of Analytical Psychology
Carl Gustav Jung

Using Type with Newbies 

Dario says that he does not roll out the cognitive functions model to newbies right away when introducing Type. This is generally in line with the corporate MBTI methodology. Personally, understanding the cognitive functions took me an entire 2 years of self-study before it solidified in my head. It is best to nail down an understanding of the dichotomies first, before diving deeper into the “function stack.”

360 Assessment 

I have made this same point in my presentations to clients– if you get a result from the MBTI assessment that you aren’t quite sure about, go and ask your mom, spouse, colleague or confidant if the results match. Likely, they will be able to instantly say yay/nay to the result. The paradox of psychology is that it’s tough to use your own brain to evaluate itself– let someone else objectively evaluate the assessment results.

Neuroscience of Personality 2.0 

Dario is working on a 2nd book that is compiling even more data than his 2011 best seller. After almost 10 more years of data has been collected, the time has come to expound and expand on his previous work. Though this book will be “less Type oriented than some Typologists would like,” he assures us that it will have plenty of Type in it! 

Please check out the links below and find a way to connect with Dr. Nardi. 

Books

The Magic Diamond

Neuroscience of Personality

8 Keys to Self-Leadership

Best links to Find Dario

www.RadianceHouse.com

www.DarioNardi.com 

www.facebook.com/dnardi/notes. (people can find various articles by Dario here) www.linkedin.com/in/dnardi22 

Neurosciences et Typologie – Conférence de Dario Nardi, PhD (in English)


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Personality Type and Political Party

Personality Type can explain political differences

There are so many studies that have quantified political party based on every minute factor imaginable. Personality type is no exception. Some have gone so far as to use brain imaging technology to predict what party you likely support.

Helen Fisher Quote: “There is more and more data indicating that there is a  biological basis to your political views.” (7 wallpapers) - Quotefancy

I want to take a look at political affiliation through the lens of the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator, but dive down into the cognitive functions and use them as archetypes for the parties. My sincere belief is that personality type is a key factors in understanding the differences between party ideologies, and has been sorely under-recognized for decades.

Cognitive Functions

Within typology, there exists what is known as cognitive functions, of which there are eight. They are:

• Ni – Introverted iNtuition (Vision)
• Ne – Extraverted iNtuition (Exploration)
• Ti – Introverted Thinking (Accuracy)
• Te – Extraverted Thinking (Action)
• Fi – Introverted Feeling (Values)
• Fe – Extraverted Feeling (Harmony)
• Si- Introverted Sensing (Memory)
• Se- Extraverted Sensing (Sensation)

Each of these cognitive functions represents a certain cognitive ability, along with distinguishable traits that are associated. With the help of Personality Hacker, I have added their labels to help characterize each of these cognitive functions in a way that makes it easily accessible to us.

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The two I want to focus on for this article are Extraverted Feeling (Fe) and Extraverted Thinking (Te). The Feeling (F) and Thinking (T) functions within the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator world are known as our judging functions. Think of these as the way we make decisions.

Very simply put, Extraverted Thinking (Te) is making decisions based on efficiency, allocation of resources, and return on investment (ROI). Extraverted Feeling (Fe) is making decisions based on the impact it will have on people, always considering the larger group.

Using Jung’s model, these two decision making processes are opposed to each other, as you would not be able to use them both at the same time. Consider that Fe is using subjective criteria, while Te is using objective criteria. It’s not possible to use them both equally at the same time.

The Political Parties

I want to make the point that the Democratic party is a party of Extraverted Feeling (Fe), while the Republican party is a party of Extraverted Thinking (Te). Of course, there is no right or wrong way to make a decision, but it helps to classify the political divide from a Jungian-Briggs point of view.

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When we speak of reaching “across the aisle,” what I think we should frame our mindset around is recognizing as much of the other side’s cognitive processes in our own decision making as possible. The common criticism of the “other side” is that they are either too soft or too callous. To me, these critiques scream of Extraverted Feeling being in opposition with Extraverted Thinking.

The Solution

In healthy Type Development, we first have to identify our blind spots, and be completely transparent with where we are underdeveloped. Only then, can we begin the process of taking any action. Once we define them, we can take action to develop ourselves.The point is to recognize our blind spots and work on having awareness when they pop up into our consciousness. When I work with clients, I lay out 30/60/90 day plans that include easy goals and stretch goals.

The advantage of having a curious mindset | The Padfield Partnership

In the same way that I would write out a plan for a client, I would write out a plan for the political parties to bridge the gap in understanding and decision-making.

The point I always make to groups or individuals is this: other Types are not stupid or purposely malicious when they misunderstand or have a different perspective than you do. They fundamentally view the world around them in a different way. As you learn more about your Type in relation to others, you acquire more patience and empathy for them.

This is the starting point for reducing political strife.


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Does your personality type change?

According to Jung’s theory, it does not, it merely evolves.

Does your personality type change? Well, some people think it does but, if we stick to the Jungian theory, it does not.

There are many ways where it can seem like one’s Type has changed throughout life, and there are circumstances which will cause a “mistyping.” I will enumerate those here, but the short answer is that Type does not change.

Theory of Type Development

By the time you’re around 16 years old, you’ve pretty much solidified your innate preferences. Innate meaning that you PREFER to do things a certain way. Life, your job, your childhood nurturing phase of development, all contribute to skewing your results on the MBTI assessment.

I often hear, “Well, I was ENFJ when I was younger, but now I’m ENFP…” What Jung said, and what Isabel & Catherine Myers said, is basically that there are a couple things that would skew the results to the point that you would say you were a totally different person at 16 than you are now at 40. This is known as “Type Development.” As you experience life, certain parts of your personality develop that were previously hidden in earlier stages of life.

Why Would I Get Skewed MBTI Results?

Some factors that can cause a mistype are:

  • A traumatic or major life event
  • Job change, pregnancy, moving, etc
  • Drug and/or alcohol abuse
  • Looking at yourself through the lens of your job or how you represent yourself at work

Anything that’s causing you a tremendous amount of stress to the point where you cannot think about yourself outside of the moment you are in while taking the assessment will likely skew results. MBTI is based on the assumption that the person taking the assessment is in a psychologically healthy state.

Administering the MBTI Assessment Correctly

When you administer the assessment as an MBTI Practitioner, the proper way to set expectations is to say “imagine taking this assessment with no one to report to… you’ve got no one standing over your shoulder judging your responses.”

Conclusion

Your Type DOES NOT change. Jung believed that there are 3 phases of development: Phase 1, 2 and 3. Phase 1 is from ages 0 to 30; Phase 2 is from ages 30 to 50; and Phase 3 is ages 50 +. As you go through the phases of life, you will start to develop parts of your personality that were previously unseen when you were younger. These developments can be misconstrued as “changing your type.”

I hope that answers any questions about whether or not type can change.

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On becoming MBTI Certified

The Myers-Briggs Type Indicator certification is useful

Joe Arrigo MBTI Certified Practitioner


I have always been somebody that believed you didn’t need a certification if you already have the practical experience. After all, a certification is just a piece of paper that says you have the median level of competency as assessed by that accredited institution or vendor.

I had been studying MBTI for 2 years prior to getting my certification, so I really didn’t see the need to get it as I felt like I was very much ahead of the class. I had essentially read the entire library of MBTI literature from David Keirsey to Dario Nardi to John Beebe. In my mind, I theoretically had all the concepts locked down.

When I finally bit the bullet and registered for the class, I quickly realized there were many small details that I would not have known without the class. Some of the details are crucial to your professional presentation and administration.

Ethical and Legal

For example, I did not know about the ethical and legal aspects of MBTI, nor did I have the professional know-how to look competent as I was delivering and administering both the test and the subsequent walk-through. I had the theory, but I was missing that logistical administration piece that truly makes you a professional practitioner.

The language of how you give feedback to your client is very important. What tends to happen when you are in “enthusiast mode,” is that you tell people what their Type is, instead of telling them, “Well, you probably prefer introversion over Extraversion, but you have the ability to do both.” During my class, I learned there are specific ways of speaking that both lend credibility and authority to you as a practitioner.

On the practical side of becoming certified, there is the Human Resources box that needs to be checked. When looking to hire an MBTI practitioner for a workshop or coaching session, oftentimes a credentialed professional is required internally to be approved. This ensures that the accredited institution has validated your ability to use the tool and administer it effectively. No matter the fairness of this process, the reality is what it is. I resisted this notion for so long (part of my INTJ personality, no doubt!)

New to Myers-Briggs

Many in the class were part of a larger group that was essentially enrolled by their Director for professional use. This group was part of a career readiness and up-skilling program that was looking to use MBTI as a career guidance tool.

Within this group, some had never heard of MBTI until they took the assessment a week prior. In that case, I do believe the class may feel rigorous and overwhelming with information. Coming in green will probably feel like learning an entire new language that you have to learn in 4 days.

The Final Test

Throughout the course, the instructor highlighted slides that were “important to take notes on,” which is code word for “these will be on the final test.” I found that this was accurate and that paying attention to these throughout the 4 days led to success on the final exam. What is essential to the Myers Briggs Company and the Myers Briggs Foundation is that those who are representing them, do so in an ethical, professional, and formal manner. This criteria manifests itself throughout the final exam.

Conclusion

Overall, it was worth getting the certification to essentially cross my T’s and dot my I’s so there can be no question as to my competency in administering the MBTI assessment. I would recommend certification to those who are already experienced in Typology and for those who are simply enthusiasts.

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